Talk: Truart, Sheriff Gorman

Sheriff Gorman Truart.

What's most proper:

Truart, Gorman, Sheriff

...or...

Truart, Sheriff Gorman?

Also, should Druart, Norman be redirected here, or should that alias get a separate and thorough write-up, with a link to this page?

Ehcmier 23:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Ehcmier

I think that on the CW page, it should stay the same, but have the official article be 'Sheriff Gorman Truart'. Norman Druart (is that name used outside of t2x?) if canon, should be given a stub article(or whatever you can fit in there), then a re direct to truarts page.

Big McLargeHuge 00:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)!

Heh heh, Norman Druart is Truart's alias in his dealings with Madame Volari when he visits her brothel. It's first seen on her list of appointments, and later he writes her a warning letter (which he never gets to send) about how the City Watch is shutting such establishments down, and cleaning up the City's prostitution problem.

Ehcmier 00:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Ehcmier

You can almost consider t2x cannon, seeing the huge undertaking and effort put into the project. I guess it is mostly canon, and should be considered that if it does not break set canon. T2x team was good at dodging continuity errors. But if some material refs t2x or otherwise, it should be given its own warning banner.

Big McLargeHuge 00:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)!?

If it's made by fans only, it's not canon, but yes, it is worthy of honor and pride. Canon is only what the LGS employees had a direct hand in, AND is seen or confirmed in-game, otherwise it starts getting fuzzy and subjective and individualised very quickly--and aggressively. I know it's hard to keep the self out of it. I've had a hell of a time convincing people I know the difference, heh heh, because I get caught up in describing the "movie" scene playing out in my imagination, and forget to say maybe, possibly, might be, and could be, instead of making it sound like I'm stating a fact.

T2X is all fan-made, and they did a great job of trying to not contradict known canon. By the way, have you watched, or listened to the T2X walkthroughs with the commentaries, recently released? http://www.thief2x.com/default2.asp Good stuff!

Ehcmier 00:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Ehcmier

Hells yeah I have! 'Looking back at the quote scroll, I noticed most of the quotes... were about porn...' lol! Ahhh, but anyway, I think T2X should be semicanon, as long as it does not contradict set cannon. But we should not make a dedicated attempt at articling t2x persons places and things, except if it is COMPLETELY sepearate from the rest of the wiki, along with that warning banner i sugested.

bigmcblahblah Right now, Today (Universal Taco Control)

My suggestion: Start person article names with their first names, if such is known. End article name with official title, if appropriate. Julian Rutherford, Lord. Artemus, Keeper. Bafford, Lord. Karras, Father. Gorman Truart, Sheriff. One doesn't need to do this for every Mary, chambermaid, obviously, but the idea is to be consistent with the format Wikipedia has adopted. Try looking up the Wikipedia:Duke Wellington, Wikipedia:Lord Dunsany, or Wikipedia:Lord Tennyson.

For ease of reference, it's maybe even better to drop the title from the article name altogether. Less risk of running up any red links when linking from other articles.

Norman Druart shouldn't have his own article. Let him get a subsection / AKA / paragraph thing in the Truart article. Because in the canon they are not two individuals. Not a chance. =)

Larris 02:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh heh.

Since we are focused on getting the main games content loaded in, we haven't really created the Fanon section where all the FMs (inlcuding the campaign-sized ones such as T2X), fan-fiction novels, parodies, essays, scripts, music, movies, artwork, halloween costumes, mods, modified computer cabinets, and so on, and so forth, go. Right now, just get it in here, and it'll be sorted whenever. I will say this: if it's made by fans alone, it's not canon. The canon in the fan-made missions comes directly from canon resources, not anything conceived entirely by fans. Canon resources may be used in non-canon ways, potentially nullifying its canon status. Think of it this way...a book about Harry Potter, written by fans, based on ideas found in the books, is not canon because it's not J.K. Rowling. Fans had been guessing about things for years, rarely or never guessing correctly, yet impressing her with their imaginative interpretation, and even improving upon her ideas, however too late. If it isn't part of an official release, by the original authors, it's not canon. It has to be that way, or it gets too subjective. The T2X team should be applauded, and they were even given a small nod in T3 with the mere name of an object. The amount of work and love that goes into a project does not earn it official status, only honor, respect, admiration, pride, etc. There are official materials that contradict, or were changed, or decided against, yet released with the games, and this is why we have to say that only what is found in-game can safely be called canon, and everything else becomes subject to personal, or fuzzy definitions that require agreement among many to establish its degree of canon. Ooog. + :For ease of reference, it's maybe even better to drop the title from the article name altogether. Less risk of running up any red links when linking from other articles.

Ehcmier 02:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Ehcmier

How was t2x refd in T3?

Big McLargeHuge 02:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The "Golden Scales" special loot in the Keeper library. It's mostly a name-only reference, as it is not the same set of golden scales. This is the only confirmed nod to T2X in T3, according to David "Sledge" Riegel, who worked on both games. Ehcmier 22:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)Ehcmier

Army Service?[]

It kind of seems like this conversation is implying that Truart was once a soldier, possibly high ranking. It would certainly help explain why the Baron trusted Truart enough to give him complete control of the police, and how Truart was able to organize and expand the force so efficiently. He had experience from the army.

We obviously can't just add it as fact, but I think we should mention the possibility in the article. It seems to me that the implication in the conversation was deliberate.

Nope.. that REALLY doesn't say it that.. in fact, it says nothing.

A low ranking thief saying how he turned to stealing after coming back from the war, and then a copper being very snarky at him in return. Basically, it's sarcasm. If you listen to the file you see it more cause of how bad the written word is alone at describing how stuff is said.. another way of him putting that last line would be "OH yeah, sure. Why don't you go and tell that to the Sheriff. I'm sure he'll love to hear your war story and take really good care of you".. that hypes up the sarcasm a lot more.. in the original, as you see, there is no comment on him being in the army or having any rank of note in it.

As has been shown in other places, or at least heavily hinted, the Baron doesn't really have any control or anything in the city. He reminds of a lot of Richard the first.. a pretty nasty guy who only cared about fighting in his 'wars'. When he was made King of England, he hated it. So he spent most of his time away, while using his younger brother as a regent. When ever he was running low on money to fight with, he send word to his brother, who then had to raise the taxes etc, and of course, everyone then hated him, while loving the "King who was fighting for us far away from home".. thus is History.. through some of the comments seam to say that the Baron is both in the battle at the front line AND at home in the city.. either way, it seams clear he is mostly taking the city for all he can get.

TheManicMan (talk) 16:54, April 21, 2018 (UTC)

I got the sarcasm, I was thinking it was implying Truart especially hated veterans that turned to crime, with the mindset of "If I was able to accomplish all this after coming back they have no excuse." And pairing that with the painting in Truart's office of him in full armor, I thought it was a reasonable theory, especially since it would offer an explanation to how he got on the Baron's good side.

Interesting info about Richard, does sound a lot like Thief's Baron. I got the impression that the Baron's position holds real power but the current one just uses it for simple personal gain and leave the actual responsibilities to his subordinates. {{SUBST:User:Kirbyddd/sig}} 23:24, April 24, 2018 (UTC)